Wednesday, September 22, 2021
Friday, September 17, 2021
Education Crisis Due to School Closures
The largest impact the COVID-19 pandemic has had on children in the world has come from the harms of school closures vs the virus itself. This week UNICEF released this report that nearly 77 million children have have been out of the classroom for the past 18 months. This is a devastating public health disaster that seldom makes the headlines. Some details from the report:
Since the onset of the pandemic, schools were completely closed for an average of 18 weeks (4.5 months) worldwide. If partial closures are accounted for, the average duration of closures represents 34 weeks (8.5 months) worldwide, or nearly a full academic year.
For UNESCO, the past two academic years have resulted in learning losses and increased drop-out rates, impacting the most vulnerable students disproportionately.
Schools in most countries have adopted some forms of sanitation protocol such as wearing masks, using hand sanitizers, improving ventilation and social distancing, which were also key to re-opening schools last year.
The educational deficits created by school closures will be felt for many years to come, long after this pandemic is over. In my opinion this has been the worst part of the public health response to the pandemic, its harms will far outweigh any possible benefits by a significant margin. It will be one for the history books in terms of the (lack of) evidence-based public health decision making, which imposed disproportionate costs and burdens on the portion of the population least at risk from serious illness and death from the virus. The education, emotional and mental health toll of school closures is something I have witnessed first-hand with my own three children. Prolonged school closures are a global tragedy that should have never happened. When the dust settles with respect to the media fixation on positive COVID-19, the magnitude of the carnage of harm some of the actions we have taken will have to be reckoned with.
Cheers,
Colin
Reading Group on Stoicism (Post #2)
Marcus Aurelius
For
the second meeting (notes for the first is here) of the Stoics Philosophy Meetup group we will be covering
books 5-8 of Marcus Aurelius’s Mediations.
A
number of themes we have encountered in Books 1-4 are addressed again in these
later chapters, including “presentism”, taking guidance from Nature/ Logos, our
mortality and death and our ability to control or modulate our internal beliefs
to relieve unnecessary anxiety and suffering.
I will note a few quotations on these themes below, to help give our
discussion some focus. I conclude with
some criticisms or reservations I have about some of the insights MA advocates.
Book
5 begins with some insights into the attitude we should have at the start of
the day, as we wake up in bed. MA
remarks:
1. At dawn, when you have trouble getting out of bed, tell
yourself: “I have to go to work—as a human being. What do I have to complain
of, if I’m going to do what I was born for— the things I was brought into the
world to do? Or is this what I
was created for? To huddle under the blankets and stay warm?
—But it’s nicer here. . . .
So you were born to feel “nice”? Instead of doing things and
experiencing them? Don’t you see the plants, the birds, the ants and spiders
and bees going about their individual tasks, putting the world in order, as
best they can? And
you’re not willing to do your job as a human being? Why
aren’t you running to do what your nature demands?
A number of times MA addresses the issue of interpersonal conflict, when people frustrate our goals or life. The following passage notes that other people are the right occupation of our life, but at the same time we need to be prepared to adapt when they obstruct our life purpose:
20. In a sense, people are our proper occupation. Our job is
to do them good and put up with them. But
when they obstruct our proper tasks, they become
irrelevant to us—like sun, wind, animals. Our actions may be
impeded by them, but there can be no impeding our intentions or our
dispositions. Because we can accommodate and adapt. The mind adapts and
converts to its own purposes the obstacle to our acting.
In section 25 he makes the following statement regarding being wronged by people:
25. So other people hurt me? That’s their problem. Their character
and actions are not mine. What is done to me is ordained by nature, what I do
by my own.
In Book 7 MA returns to this same them when he remarks,
with a bit more nuance this time:
26. When people injure you, ask yourself what good or harm they
thought would come of it. If you understand that, you’ll feel sympathy rather
than outrage or anger. Your sense of good and evil may be the same as theirs,
or near it, in which case you have to excuse them. Or your sense of good and
evil may differ from theirs. In which case they’re misguided and deserve your
compassion. Is that so hard?
MA also offers some short, pithy comments about being positive and happy. Here are a few samples I thought were worth reflecting upon and discussing:
Book 6, 48. When you need
encouragement, think of the qualities the people around you have:
this one’s energy, that one’s modesty, another’s generosity, and so on. Nothing is
as encouraging as when virtues are visibly embodied in the people around
us, when we’re practically showered with them.
Book 7, 69. Perfection of
character: to live your last day, every day, without frenzy, or sloth, or
pretense.
Book 8 , 26. Joy for humans lies
in human actions. Human actions: kindness to others, contempt for the
senses, the interrogation of appearances, observation of nature and of events
in nature.
And on the recurring themes of death and mortality, MA has the following to say:
Book 6 47. Keep this
constantly in mind: that all sorts of people have died—all professions, all
nationalities. Follow the thought all the way down to Philistion, Phoebus, and
Origanion. Now extend it to other species.
We have to go there too, where all of them have already gone:
. . the eloquent and the wise—Heraclitus,
Pythagoras,
Socrates
. . .
. . .
the heroes of old, the soldiers and kings who followed
them . . . . . . Eudoxus, Hipparchus, Archimedes . . . . . .
the smart, the generous, the hardworking, the cunning, the selfish . . . . . .
and even Menippus and his cohorts, who laughed at the whole brief, fragile
business. All underground for a long
time now.
And what harm does it do them? Or the others either—the ones
whose names we don’t even know? The only thing that isn’t worthless: to live
this life out truthfully and rightly. And be patient with those who don’t.
Book 8
58. Fear of death is fear of what we may experience. Nothing
at all, or something quite new. But if we experience nothing, we can experience
nothing bad. And if our experience changes, then our existence will change with
it—change, but not cease.
The last topic I will mention is the one I am most critical of in these chapters- it is what I see as the overly glorified sense of independence MA celebrates, expressed through our exercise of philosophy and connection to nature. It is the suggestion that we need only retreat to our mind, as if it were the sole salvation for our wellbeing. Perhaps I’ll start with his critique of the “socialized identity” we are all prone to develop- the need for acceptance and praise from others. I actually agree with much of what he says about this point. For example, I am in broad agreement with this statement:
what is to be prized? An audience clapping? No. No more than the clacking of their tongues. Which is all that public praise amounts to—a clacking of tongues
So we throw out other people’s
recognition. What’s left for us to prize? I think it’s this: to do (and
not do) what we were designed for. That’s the goal of all trades, all arts, and
what each of them aims at: that the thing they create should do what it
was designed to do. The nurseryman who cares for the vines, the horse
trainer, the dog breeder—this is what they aim at. And teaching and
education—what else are they trying to accomplish? So that’s what we
should prize. Hold on to that, and you won’t be tempted to aim at anything
else.
28. Either pain affects the body (which is the body’s problem) or it affects the soul. But the soul can choose not to be affected, preserving its own serenity, its own tranquillity. All our decisions, urges, desires, aversions lie within. No evil can touch them.
Perhaps MA is just made of sterner stuff than I (he was a Roman Emperor afterall!), but I don’t think everything is within our control. At a minimum I worry that MA’s sentiment could be misapplied to cases were people are really suffering a mental health crisis and rather than seeking professional help and treatment they tell themselves “I can control all my feelings and ailments”. I think it really depends on the severity of the suffering in question, and its source. Yes sometimes tweaking and adjusting one’s perceptions and beliefs can be sufficient to improve one’s quality of life. But other times this attitude could simply delay, possibly even exacerbate, a mental health illness. At its worse I think MA’s account of autonomy and independence is an avoidant-typeattachment (again, perhaps not a bad trait to have when one's career is Emperor!)
In short- I really like MA the critic of the hierarchy
of a group and advocate of the self-authoring/transformative mind, but not the MA
who espouses the avoidant attachment style.
I think many of his passages align with both positions. Despite these reservations, I think these chapters offer a plurality of
provocative and insightful bits of knowledge and wisdom. I look forward to delving into these topics
in greater detail with the Meetup group.
Cheers,
Colin
Monday, September 13, 2021
The Genetic Lottery of Life: A Primer
This morning I teach my first in-person class in 18 months, since the pandemic and closure of universities in Ontario in March 2020. I am really looking forward to seeing and interacting with students in-person again.
My class is my 4th year seminar "Science and Justice", which focuses on the ethical, social and legal implications of the genetic revolution (with a focus on the prospect of "enhancing humans"). Here I will lay out a few of the thoughts I emphasis in the first class to frame the course and help motivate the students to get excited about tackling these issues.
Firstly, I begin the class with a conjecture I have started the class with for some 15 years now, which has been borne out by the COVID-19 pandemic- namely, that science policy is the most important area of public policy decision-making in the 21st century. And thus students of political science must have some understanding of what science is, and what constitutes "well-ordered" science and responsible science policy decision-making if we are to have any hope of meeting the societal challenges of the 21st century, This century human populations face significant risks from infectious and chronic diseases, climate change, global aging, artificial intelligence, etc. Scientific innovation (or the lack thereof) will profoundly influence humanity's capacity to meet the novel predicaments of the 21st century.
My course focuses on a specific area of science and policy- advances in the biomedical sciences (especially biomedical "enhancement"). The fact that the class focus is on "enhancing" humans is apt since the singular focus of public health, politicians and the media for the past 18 months has been on enhancing the human immune system to make us less vulnerable to serious illness and death from SARS-CoV-2. This pandemic is not a focus of this course, though I am offering a new course in the winter term on the "politics of pandemics", which has 2 weeks dedicated to these issues as they pertain to the COVID-19 pandemic.
I start my course this morning with a brief insight made by the philosopher John Rawls, with respect to the role 2 different types of lotteries play in our lives- the social and natural lotteries of life. The social lottery of life determines the family one is born into, which can have a profound influence on our life prospects. Being born into a wealthy family can open up many opportunities that would be lacking if one was born into a family that has little money or lacked a steady income and adequate housing. What parents invest in their children- financially, emotionally and intellectually, can have a profound (positive or detrimental) impact on a child's wellbeing and the (eventual) adult they grow into. While society cannot "control" the social lottery of life, Rawls argues justice requires we try to mitigate such "unchosen" inequalities by ensuring fair equality of opportunity for education, for example. Society's institutions can at least help guard against the vulnerabilities of the social lottery of life, and ameliorate some of it's inequalities via progressive taxation and (re)distributive justice.
The second lottery of life is the natural lottery of life. We all enter this world having inherited two copies of most genes, one from our biological mother and one from our biological father. Writing in the early 1970s Rawls argued that society could not directly influence the natural lottery of life, and thus he focused only on the distribution of what he called "social" (e.g. wealth) vs "natural primary" goods like health, intelligence and imagination and vigour. But science has advanced significantly over the past 50 years, so much so that this Rawlsian assumption is no longer valid.
The "genetic inheritance" we begin life, like the social lottery, also profoundly influences our life prospects. If we are born with 1 of the 10 000 known single gene disorders, then this genetic inheritance will adversely impact our health and wellbeing, depending on the severity of the disorder. Serious early onset conditions might cause physical and intellectual disability, and reduce life expectancy by decades. However, at the other end of the spectrum are those rare individuals who inherit the genetics of exceptional longevity which can increase the likelihood that they might enjoy a century of disease-free life, delaying (or even escaping) the most common diseases (like heart disease, cancer and stroke) that typically kill people in their 70s or 80s.
Over the past few decades advances in our understanding of the role genes play in health, cognition, mood, behaviour and personality has resulted in the lifting of a real "veil of ignorance" which normative theorists were functioning from behind with respect to conjecturing about the role of "nature" vs "nurture". We now know that both nature and nurture are important. With other 3000 gene therapy trails worldwide, and more precise technologies like CRISPR, the prospect of directly and intentionally modifying human biology is upon us. We are living in the midst of a "genetic revolution" which is altering the moral landscape so that the "natural lottery" of life is shifting from the realm of "beyond human control" to "within our influence". And this means a revision of the moral landscape is also in order, as the demands of morality and justice will also shift.
The ambitious project that now awaits bioethicists and political philosophers is to canvass how we navigate a sage path forward which takes seriously the benefits and risks of intentionally modifying human biology. From eugenics and the the safety and efficacy of gene therapy, to respect for reproductive freedom and the challenges of promoting health in late life, the genetic revolution presents us with some of the most important and fascinating ethical and societal predicaments of the 21st century. By encouraging students to address these novel issues and debates, and helping them refine the intellectual skills needed to think cogently, creatively and sagely, we have a better chance of implementing well-ordered science. I look forward to teaching the course this term!
Cheers,
Colin
Friday, September 10, 2021
Study on the Effects of Remote Work
The coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic caused a rapid shift to full-time remote work for many information workers. Viewing this shift as a natural experiment in which some workers were already working remotely before the pandemic enables us to separate the effects of firm-wide remote work from other pandemic-related confounding factors. Here, we use rich data on the emails, calendars, instant messages, video/audio calls and workweek hours of 61,182 US Microsoft employees over the first six months of 2020 to estimate the causal effects of firm-wide remote work on collaboration and communication. Our results show that firm-wide remote work caused the collaboration network of workers to become more static and siloed, with fewer bridges between disparate parts. Furthermore, there was a decrease in synchronous communication and an increase in asynchronous communication. Together, these effects may make it harder for employees to acquire and share new information across the network.
Cheers,
Colin
Friday, September 03, 2021
Reading Group on Stoicism (Post #1)
Marcus Aurelius
Meditations (BOOKS 1-4 summary)
This autumn I am running a reading group on Stoicism for the
Philosophy Meetup Kingston group. We are
starting with Marcus Aurelius’s Meditations (available here ).
Marcus Aurelius (MA) was also a Stoic philosopher and Roman
emperor during the second century.
For some of the historical background on MA, there is this
interesting BBC interview here.
While I have some general sense of stoicism as a philosophy,
I have not (before this reading group started) read any of the primary sources.
So I look forward to learning more about
these thinkers over the coming months.
In this series of blog posts I offer some reflections to
help the Meetup group focus on specific parts of the assigned reading, along
with some interactive exercises to get us to critically engage with
Stoicism. I am really looking forward to
our series on Stoicism. Below is a brief
summary of some points from Books I-IV of Meditations
Book I
This chapter is entitled “Debts and Lessons” and it lists
people in MA’s life that have taught him valuable life lessons.
Not only does he name a lengthy list of specific people, but
he expands upon the particular life lesson(s) they have taught him. Most of the examples express praise and
gratitude for the positive examples in his life, but some also mention the
lessons he learned from the shortcomings of others. I think this testifies to the depth and
sophistication of his observations and critical reflection. It also brings attention to a central insight/tenant
of Stoic philosophy- that it is our beliefs/perceptions about things (e.g.
people, the world, etc.) that shape our life experiences (both positive and
negative experiences). It is important
to note that, so we don’t simply take our internal world to be an accurate or
authoritative reflection of the reality of the external world.
When we train our mind to form healthy and productive habits
of mind- by amplifying the significance of the positives and framing the
negatives in a more helpful fashion- we can actually alter our experiences of
life in dramatic ways compared to what they are when we adopt an unhealthy and
unproductive mindset. So we need to
become conscious of the way our mind functions, of the (often unconscious)
patterns we employ (e.g. trying to control what can’t be controlled, or
ignoring important life lessons when they are clearly presented to us).
It is worth noting that MA’s Meditations was written as
his own personal diary notes. It was not
written as something intended for publication as a book for public
viewing. So the very act of writing down
his reflections for his own record demonstrates his self-awareness that (1) the
human mind has the potential to run off in different directions (both good and
bad), but also (2) with knowledge and self-discipline, the mind can be
consciously steered forward in a positive direction.
Here are just a few examples of the “Debts and Lessons” from
Book I:
1.
MY GRANDFATHER VERUS: Character and
self-control.
2.
MY FATHER (FROM MY OWN MEMORIES AND HIS
REPUTATION): Integrity and manliness.
3. MY MOTHER: Her reverence for
the divine, her generosity, her inability not only to do wrong but even to
conceive of doing it. And the simple way she lived—not in the least like the
rich.
5. MY FIRST TEACHER: Not to
support this side or that in chariot-racing, this fighter or that in the games.
To put up with discomfort and not make demands. To do my own work, mind my own
business, and have no time for slanderers.
9. SEXTUS: Kindness. An example
of fatherly authority in the home. What it means to live as nature requires… To
show intuitive sympathy for friends, tolerance to amateurs and sloppy thinkers.
His ability to get along with everyone: sharing his company was the highest of
compliments, and the opportunity an honor for those around him…To praise
without bombast; to display expertise without pretension.
11. FRONTO: To recognize the
malice, cunning, and hypocrisy that power produces, and the peculiar
ruthlessness often shown by people from “good families.”
12. ALEXANDER THE PLATONIST: Not
to be constantly telling people (or writing them) that I’m too busy, unless I
really am. Similarly, not to be always ducking my responsibilities to the
people around me because of “pressing business.
13. CATULUS: Not to shrug off a
friend’s resentment—even unjustified resentment—but try to put things right.
17. THE GODS: [This is a lengthy
one, and an expression of MA’s gratitude for his parents, siblings, wife and
children.]
As an exercise to mimic the intellectual skills MA exercises
in Book I, I recommend we each try to think of two family members
that have taught us a very important life lesson. It could be a parent, sibling, child, aunt,
cousin, etc. Prepare your thoughts so
that you are comfortable sharing the details of at least one (or both) example(s)
with the group. What did this person
teach you? How did you come to observe
this life lesson from them? Did they
regularly perform certain actions, or display certain character strengths? Or perhaps weaknesses and mistakes? This is
the same exercise we did in the “Philosophy of Education” meetup in August,
when I asked people to think of one important teacher in their life. But this time we are doing it to a family
member.
Book 2
A prominent theme of MA and stoicism is “presentism”-
observing and attending to the “here and now” vs letting the mind wander
aimlessly in the past or ruminate about an uncontrollable future. MA provides the following instructions to
help us control the gaze of our mind:
Concentrate every minute like a
Roman—like a man—on doing what’s in front of you with precise and genuine
seriousness, tenderly, willingly, with justice. And on freeing yourself from
all other distractions. Yes, you can—if you do everything as if it were the
last thing you were doing in your life, and stop being aimless, stop letting
your emotions override what your mind tells you, stop being hypocritical,
self-centered, irritable. You see how few things you have to do to live a
satisfying and reverent life? If you can manage this, that’s all even the gods
can ask of you.
We can
often get sidetracked in life by fixating on the frustrations of life- our
dealings with people that are inconsiderate, arrogant, gossipy, rude, etc. MA recommends we adopt the perspective that
such people have not seen the beauty of good, and rather than feel anger or
hurt towards such persons we should accept that it is part of the natural order
that there are such people (it cannot be avoided, but at the same time it
should not be considered an obstruction, it is just life). MA remarks about such people as follows:
We were born to work together
like feet, hands, and eyes, like the two rows of teeth, upper and lower. To
obstruct each other is unnatural.
The
existence of life’s annoyances, and even the evil in the world, is just part of
life, claims MA. Chance is also part of
nature. He explains:
The world is maintained by
change—in the elements and in the things they compose. That should be enough
for you; treat it as an axiom. Discard your thirst for books, so that you won’t
die in bitterness, but in cheerfulness and truth, grateful to the gods from the
bottom of your heart.
I have mixed minds about what I think MA is prescribing here. I certainly agree adopting a mindset of acceptance is necessary for our achieving some sense of peace in this life (some might recall the reading group we did on acceptance and commitment therapy here and here ). There will always be unfortunate events and bad people in life. That simply is (part of) life. However, we can also act in the world to at least mitigate certain bad events (e.g. wearing a seat belt doesn’t eliminate the chance of a car accident, but it does improve the odds of survival and less injury should this even arise). As for the thirst for books, again, I believe it is a question of proportionality. To me there are two extremes- the fool who never consults a book (e.g. driving a car without any knowledge of the rules of the road is folly), and the overcontrolling neurotic that never goes out on the road but instead sits in their car re-reading the handbook on driving safely but never “does”. There is a time for reading and studying, and there is a time for action and accepting serendipity and risk in life. The challenge can be observing if our attitudes and actions have gone awry and making the necessary correction without negative judgement about ourselves. I think it is something we all must constantly work and re-work.
MA reminds us that our mortality can serve as a useful corrective to the aimless mind, though it is predicated on a belief that the gods exist (I think we can replace this with some secular understanding on our simply being part of something bigger than ourselves, which provides the sense of purpose and meaning that motivates and gets us out of bed every morning). He claims:
You could leave life right now.
Let that determine what you do and say and think. If the gods exist, then to
abandon human beings is not frightening; the gods would never subject you to
harm. And if they don’t exist, or don’t care what happens to us, what would be
the point of living in a world without gods or Providence? But they do exist,
they do care what happens to us, and everything a person needs to avoid real
harm they have placed within him. If there were anything harmful on the other
side of death, they would have made sure that the ability to avoid it was
within you. If it doesn’t harm your character, how can it harm your life?
The themes
of death, mortality and god are recurring ones in MA’s Meditations. Feel free to share any reflections you have
with these themes with the group as we could spend time discussing and debating
any of those themes (and no doubt will in future meetings). I found the following passage one of the more
profound comments in this book, worthy of our focusing on and digging a bit
deeper:
14. Even if you’re going to
live three thousand more years, or ten times that, remember: you cannot lose
another life than the one you’re living now, or live another one than the one
you’re losing. The longest amounts to the same as the shortest. The present is
the same for everyone; its loss is the same for everyone; and it should be
clear that a brief instant is all that is lost. For you can’t lose either the
past or the future; how could you lose what you don’t have?
MA then gets to the crux of stoicism with his reflections on
the human condition and the role of philosophy.
17. Human life. Duration:
momentary. Nature: changeable. Perception: dim. Condition of Body: decaying.
Soul: spinning around. Fortune: unpredictable. Lasting Fame: uncertain. Sum Up:
The body and its parts are a river, the soul a dream and mist, life is warfare
and a journey far from home, lasting reputation is oblivion. Then what can
guide us? Only philosophy.
How can philosophy help us navigate the changeable world, a
world where our bodies are decaying and souls spinning and our luck is
unpredictable? Our capacity for
philosophy is described by MA as “a power from within”, and something that is
superior to pleasure and pain. Death he claims
is natural, and nothing natural can be evil.
Book 3
Section 5 of this
chapter details how to act:
5. How to act: Never under compulsion, out of selfishness, without forethought, with misgivings. Don’t gussy up your thoughts. No surplus words or unnecessary actions. Let the spirit in you represent a man, an adult, a citizen, a Roman, a ruler. Taking up his post like a soldier and patiently awaiting his recall from life. Needing no oath or witness. Cheerfulness. Without requiring other people’s help. Or serenity supplied by others. To stand up straight—not straightened.
There is a lot to unpack here, some I certainly agree with (e.g. act selflessly, with forethought and no misgivings) and others I have some misgivings about (e.g. not requiring other people’shelp).
Book 4
Other central themes in Stoicism, especially MA’s Meditations,
is cultivating the cognitive and emotional flexibility to “pivot” as adversity
and challenging life circumstances arise.
MA starts book 4 with some reflections on this point:
1. Our inward power, when it
obeys nature, reacts to events by accommodating itself to what it faces—to what
is possible. It needs no specific material. It pursues its own aims as
circumstances allow; it turns obstacles into fuel. As a fire overwhelms what
would have quenched a lamp. What’s thrown on top of the conflagration is
absorbed, consumed by it—and makes it burn still higher.
This raises the interesting predicament of what the proper
attitude should be to challenging life circumstances. On the one hand, the thrust of what MA seems
to be suggesting (at least in this passage) is to just accept those things,
“turning obstacles into fuel”. This
strikes me as sage when applied to certain types of adversity (e.g. you lose a
job, or a relationship ends, etc. and you need to move on in a positive
direction), but I think there is a danger of it being applied in a cavalier way,
such that you don’t take any responsibility or moral duty to try to prevent
hazards that are ameliorable to human action.
For example, imagine a smoker who opines “I won’t quite smoking, if I
get lung cancer I get lung cancer! If so
then it was nature’s command and meant to be regardless of what I do”. While I see the potential benefit in the
Stoic’s zest to translate adversity into a positive vehicle for growth, I also
see the danger of what is called “adaptive preference formation”. Someone might simply accept the exploitation
and injustice of their society, or a relationship, taking the attitude that
trying to change things is futile and runs counter to the “obey nature” or
“going within” mantras. There is a real
risk that a society of Stoics would not be capable of making significant
progress against societal problems and injustice. Granted some of these issues might be less
prevalent in a society composed of Stoics, but I think there is an a tension here worthy of further
discussion.
And book 4 finishes with this powerful and provocative
statement:
In short, know this: Human
lives are brief and trivial. Yesterday a blob of semen; tomorrow embalming
fluid, ash. To pass through this brief life as nature demands. To give it up
without complaint. Like an olive that ripens and falls. Praising its mother, thanking
the tree it grew on.
To be like the rock that the waves keep crashing over. It stands unmoved and the raging of the sea falls still around it.
What are your thoughts on these comments?
Should be an interesting discussion. Looking forward to the meeting!
Cheers,
Colin